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olenoidedserratuspilled · 12 hours ago
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This is a lovely thread you have going on here, so I'll go ahead and do that thing when I butt in and shit all over it with my trademark doomerisms. If that's not something you wanna read, ignore the post from this point forward.
I'll preface this response by saying I'm AMAB. Do I identify as a man? I don't know and I don't care to know. I don't genuinely believe any of what I'm about to say, I'm only playing devil's advocate.
TERFy fearmongering about trans women being fundamentally dangerous derives from exactly the same toxic, fucked-up view of male sexuality - and of male existence - espoused by Evangelism: that all men are biologically predisposed to predation, violence and other sexual evils, such that they can't ever really be trusted.
While this is true, it misses the root both sentiments share: humans, regardess of gender, have an innate capacity for violence and harm. Said violence and harm often takes on the form of sexual predation when it comes from men. For much of history institutions enabled that human predisposition in men rather than attempting to combat it. You already know this, of curse.
Why's this relevant? Because you can never tell who has or lacks the predisposition for that kind of violence. It's the poisoned M&M allegory, the old game of hawks and doves. The hawks will always fight you for food while the doves will always share it, but you can't tell the hawks from the doves. Safest bet is to assume all others are hawks.
Violence directed against women by men is a widespread problem! But it doesn't follow that a majority of men are bad by default
Says who? "Many men are dangerous so most men are potentially dangerous" may not be objectively true, but it's a logical reaction to observable fact, and many people hold that view their whole lives without any issue. If there's no incentive, internal or external, to change a belief, why change it? "Because it's wrong" doesn't count as an incentive.
Many have been trained to entitlement and bad behaviour by patriarchal systems and misogynist ways of thinking, which are both things we have the power to change.
Why should we? It's not our job to educate/change them. If they don't want to change themselves, what reason is there to not just go "Fuck 'em"? The majority of female separatists I've seen, for example, understand that first half perfectly well and still arrive at my conclusion. I know I don't agree with them, but my bias on the matter should be obvious.
Attemping to affect this change and bring about equality is the core conceit of feminism, and we can see, very demonstrably, that it works.
Says who? Many feminists ont his very website disagree with it being the core conceit of feminism, or a conceit of it at all. Many posit that it doesn't work, and all indicators of it working are fabrications, outliars or insufficient. Maybe they're factually wrong, but if their message has the wider reach and greater staying power, do the facts even matter? I don't really think the do.
You're not only saying that the long-term goal of feminism is impossible
Oh it's very much possible. What you do is that you just punish all men collectively. Be it through isolation, termination or whichever other method you prefer. I think it'd be morally abhorent to do that, but if there's enough demand for it, what's it matter what I think?
For what it's worth, this isn't me saying everyone with "Kill All Men" on their bio actually means it. I don't think they do, but it'd be ideologically consistent if they did. That's the point I'm trying to get at here: the goal is to end the patriarchy. If you get the job done, who cares how you did it? Doesn't matter the color of the cat, as long as it catches mice, and it definitely doesn't matter what the mice think about it.
you're functionally agreeing with every disgusting, sexist rape-apologist who brushes off assault and misogyny as "boys will be boys" and "men are just like that."
Easy solution. Can't agree with them if they're all dead. Or isolated off in their own separate society. Whichever you find more palatable.
Their misdeeds aren't synonymous with their masculinity, but are rather choices they specifically have made.
Says who? If you decide that masculinity is defined by those choices, then yes they're synonymous with masculinity. Words can mean anything you want them to, if you an get enough people to agree with you. Is that fair? It is if you define "Fair" to include it.
rather than representing some default state of cruelty to which all men naturally revert, misogyny is instead taught
All this means is that misogyny can't spread if there are no men to learn it. Sounds like an easy fix. I know what you're saying! "That's not biologically possible! How will we reproduce?". There are a few answers:
A) It's not biologically possible yet. We just have to make it so.
B) The "good ones" can stay, under our conditions.
C) Who says we need to reproduce?
I find all of them morally repugnant, but then again, who asked me?
The teaching itself, while offering contextual authority to men, can also be harmful to them.
And why should you give a shit? They brought it upon themselves, it's their fault to begin with, they'd never show you the same sympathy you show them. If they hate it so much they can always just choose the rope. All of those are horrific things to say, sure, but who cares as long as the crowd agrees with them?
So why am I saying all of this, exactly? Because I think you're talking at a brick wall. I think the time to talk about this came and went a long time ago, and trying to do it now is only gonna get you grief. You can't reverse entropy. You're on fucking Tumblr, for crying out loud. People here just see the word "men" and start typing up Anon hate.
But sure, keep punching the tip of that knife the rest of your life. Have fun.
I cannot express how jarring it was after being raised by a "Porn Addiction Coach" to get into a relationship with a woman and come face to face with the fact that she did actually want me to sexually desire her.
Like, in Evangelical Purity Culture, male desire was basically poison. It was a threat. It was this constant temptation that would destroy everything. And even after leaving, in the sort of queer, feminist spaces i spend most of my time in that wasn't something that pretty much anyone was spending time actively dissuading me from feeling.
But my desire is good. It's not something that I'm being accepted in spite of. It's a positive thing. It's a bonus. Not even just vanilla stuff, all the stuff I'd convinced myself were these weird terrible desires that were shameful to have.
It honestly took me over a decade to fully accept that. To stop dissociating during sex and confront that I was, in fact, being a massive perv and that was fantastic and preferable and that I could accept that into my self-image without shame or self hatred.
But it's important to do. It's important to leave relationships that don't welcome that part of you. To know that your sexuality is valuable and valid and worth owning and celebrating. Because the alternative is just...not being. Either existing as yourself and repressing the part of your identity that is sexual or allowing that sexuality to exist but turning off your self while it does.
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konjiang · 3 days ago
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Cumplane Library au
Sy was in the Library studying when he saw that PIDW just had a new update, he almost couldn't contain himself and started fuming from anger. Thankful no one else beside the library staff was here right now.
He quickly craft up the most vile and disrespectful review post, and hit send before anyone else even left a comment. Some may say his dedication to hating on Airplane was obsessive and unhealthy, but his hands shake with fury every time he read a new chapter. If he didn't do something, he would probably get sick from the repressed feeling.
After spurring out all his hatred towards Airplane in the post, he resumed studying for his class. Right when he was about to put in his earbuds and to start playing some lofi, he heard a quiet chuckle from behind him. The quiet library staff was staring at him and trying to hide his laughter.
The burning in his face was sure to set the library on fire with how hot he felt. He couldn't believe that someone witness him in his lowest form. He quickly got up and packed his laptop away, planning on dying from embarrassment in the safety of his room.
'This is all that fucking dumb hack author's fault!' He practically ran to the door, but the door wouldn't open now matter how he pulled or pushed. He had no choice to turn around and pretend like nothing happened.
He tried to nonchalantly go back to his seat, but a pair of brown eyes followed his movement. When he crossed over the front desk, the guy abruptly stand up and smiled at him.
"I'm sorry, I didn't mean to laugh at you like that. It was that you were so funny getting mad at the novel you were reading." He had brown curly hair, dimples on both side of his face, a ponytail, and a innocent looking face. Sy thought that this guy looked exactly like what he thought LBH looked like.
"That door is currently shut because of construction. A lot of people have been trying to open it all day, but they never read the sign I put up." the LBH lookalike sighed, and SY turned his head and saw that there was indeed a piece of paper tape to the door, but in his flustered state, he couldn't bother to read it.
"Oh. Thanks..." Sy mumbled out, this day was getting worse by the second.
"What were you reading?" the innocent looking guy asked. Sy couldn't tell him, he couldn't be the one to ruin this guy's innocent.
"Just some webnovel." SY deflected, wanting this conversation to end already.
"Oh really?" They guy bounced a bit as he leaned forward causing his ponytail to sway slightly, "I like web novels too, which one were you reading?" SY stared at the guy's doe eyes, noting that he was definitely not as tall as LBH, since he was shorter than SY.
'He would look great cosplaying white lotus LBH.' Sy thought, but he didn't want to entertain that idea at all because his brain kindly provided him with all the sex scenes from varies chapters of PIDW.
"It's not really popular, so I don't think you'll like it." Sy stood there in agony when the cute guy looked at him disappointedly.
"Oh...okay. Sorry for bothering you."
'Fuck! Why can't god just strike me down right now.' Sy impulsively ripped out a piece of paper from his binder and wrote down his number.
"Here, I can recommend you some better novel. Just text me your preferences." Sy said coldly, trying to regain his composure.
"Really? Thank you!" The guy excitedly whispered as a group of student walked in. Sy took this chance to blend in with the crowd and leave when the guy was preoccupied with others.
'Ah fuck. If I ever met that dumbass author. I'm beating the shit out of him.'
--
As a university library worker, he seen a lot of things throughout his shifts. But he would never expect to find Peerless Cucumber reading the latest chapter in the library. Is it shame on him for posting it when he was working or shame on Cucumber for reading it in a public place.
He type in the phone number and saved it in his phone. His shift was about to end and he could fully plan out how to mess with Cucumber afterwards.
"Luo Binghe, you're free to go."
"Thanks" Luo Binghe, or more infamously known as Airplane, skipped out of the library while humming to himself.
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somequeeralien · 3 days ago
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💙OBJECTUM POSITIVITY POST💙
This post is mostly techum, but applies to any other type of objectum attraction! Don't exclude yourself, you're an important part of the community💙
There is no one way to be objectum, like there's no one way to be queer, disabled or person in general. It's absolutely ok to have preferences, it's absolutely ok to question yourself, try other labels or don't use them at all, as well as it's absolutely ok to not fall under special criteria entirely! You know yourself best, don't let others choose for you.
Being weird is ok, we're all weird here, nothing awful about it. Your love and happiness here doesn't harm others. Life is way too short to hide yourself and pretend to be "normal" just to be accepted by people who don't deserve to be near you in a first place. Think about it, if they hate you for something so harmless, just because you're not like them, how much time will pass before they do you wrong either way?
Humans are meant to be different, to explore the whole spectrum of experiences, don't say no to yours. And, please, don't do the same for others. It's absolutely ok to not agree with others or have preferences, as I mentioned, but we won't go far with hate and blaming each other.
There's always people who'll love you and be with you as long as you need, it's going to be ok, don't forget to drink water and have some time for yourself💙
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⬆️ my professional opinion
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sybaritick · 1 day ago
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I feel like the recent fandom attitude of "stop writing this character as a daddy dom when they are a pathetic wet cat" has a lot of basis in truth (people will default to writing men as dominant and will often make these characters more confident and suave in fanfiction than they are in canon), but there is also a level of overcorrection going on. Which causes several things:
1) A man being pathetic is conflated with being sexually submissive. I'm very aware that wimpiness is seen as attractive in submissives and not in dominants for a reason, but pathetic doesn't inherently mean wimpy: sometimes it's masculinity issues or anger issues or something else! That and I think this does an obvious disservice to submissive men, acting like of course a man who is insecure prefers to be submissive sexually. What counts as "sexually submissive" becomes more complex here, of course. Who really holds the power in a relationship or scene can differ from who ostensibly holds it in the scenario they are acting out: a person being flogged might very easily hold real power over the person doing the flogging!
2) Similarly, even if a character is not seen as inherently pathetic or insecure, there's this idea that male characters who are more thoughtful, more progressive, or "safer" must be submissive because that is the "good" thing for a man to be in a moral sense. "Traditional, hegemonic masculinity says that men must be sexually dominant: he is a good man and a feminist and rejects that message, so he must be sexually submissive, especially with women." Not always! (And certainly not all male submissives are feminists, hahahah.)
3) Submissive readings of male characters' sexualities are seen as inherently more accurate and more complex than dominant readings of male characters' sexualities. Again, sometimes they are, but sometimes they're not!
4) Dominant readings of male characters' sexualities are assumed to be unexamined fantasies of cishet women, in a way that is usually just misogyny. "booktok wattpad x-reader girls aren't smart enough to think more deeply about the character so they make him a suave dom!" As before there are cases where this is true but the overcorrection is assuming it in general.
It isn't a serious issue or something, but it does mildly annoy me so I'm just posting to complain and perhaps if you've noticed this too you'll find my complaining cathartic.
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cumaeansibyl · 2 days ago
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"people aren't always gonna jive with your special interest and it may not really interest them like hate to break it to you but that isn't a personal attack on you"
yes thank you, I see a lot of posts on here like "it's so beautiful when someone infodumps to me about their special interest because I love seeing their passion" but we don't all feel that way and that's okay. I am not automatically going to be interested in a subject just because you're passionate about it, and also I prefer a conversation with more back-and-forth and less monologuing. otherwise at some point I feel like I'm not even there
"neurotypicals have this special way of saying 'okay' that makes you feel like shit after infodumping your special interest" anyone can do that actually
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velvetvexations · 2 days ago
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Here's a thing that personally really gets me about the whole "transmascs pass so easy and have no issues post transition, virtually cis male privileges" thing is that ... You see, I am stealth and do pass as cis fairly well. But even as a "cis" man, I am a failed man. I am too short, I am too thin, my beard isn't thick enough, my voice a little too high, my face too young. Except that towards me, because I "am cis", it's socially acceptable to make fun of that. It's not insensitive, as it would be towards a trans guy, instead people are "allowed" to poke fun at my failed masculinity because "cis men need to take a bit of poking haha. What, is your masculinity that frail? Typical man lol." Even without any intended malice, people seldomly consider that what they're saying might actually hit a sore spot -- Not like I don't know that I am the way I am, and have heard these things a hundred times. And that's not even getting into "Well, not like you would know, as a man," when people are talking about issues I, too, experienced my whole life or still do experience today, and I just have to nod.
I prefer being stealth. Because I dislike the way people treat you differently when they find out you aren't. But being seen as a "failed cis man" sure as hell feels bad, too. (And I bet it doesn't really feel good for actual cis men who "aren't masculine enough", either. I don't think it's a coincidence that I get this kind of thing much more often from women than from men.)
You shouldn't be having your problems minimized by people who don't actually know what you experience. I'm sorry anon. <3
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delight-angelsbliss · 3 days ago
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Don't you notice how I get quiet when there's no one else around?
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Heh I wanted to post this sooner but here we are
welcome to my February valentines special that will go on for the full duration of February!!
You may choose a prompt and Character from my list and request<3 this is actually my first ever special/event I'm doing lol S1 prompts from 1 - 11 are by @/novelbear they're really cool and have amazing prompts (^-^) there also inconsistent small and large texts so it's actually readable cuz it gets cut off sometimes lol!! I'd also recommend that when requesting u say which Season ur prompt is from for example "S1 nr 4 with ___" u can also request up to 3 prompts in one! I'll try my best to use it all<3 everything can be requested as platonic!! Edit: can you guys please specify gender and if it should be hcs or not? As much information as possible would be nice and helps alot
S1 Cute scenarios<3
Spending all day watching cute crafts and baking to do
Rom com marathon!!
Trying (and maybe) failing to make food heart shaped
Realizing you both have contrasting views on valentines
"Baby, I love you, really, but if I eat one more piece of chocolate I'll throw up"
Making the same reservations at the same time but different restaurants and/or the same one
"I thought you'd at least ask me to be my valentines" "we've been together for years, I thought that was a given"
Both not caring much abt valentines but get dragged to a double date by friends
"How much did this cost?" "Does that really matter?"
Spending the night walking through the city silently
Begging your partner to get matching sweaters until they say yes
Buying couple shirts and deciding the whole day which one to wear that u completely forgot ur date
Not leaving bed at all
Going to the carnival
Double dates
Confessing with a love letter
first kiss together on your first valentines
getting proposed on valentines
Picking grapes together
Making heart cake pops and eating them but they fall down
"I think I deserve a kiss"
"You didn't have to do all of this!" "Yeah, which is why I did it for you"
"I wish everyday could be like this"
"Is it just me or do your lips look softer than usual?"
"We don't have to go out"
"I can never get enough of of how pretty you look"
Ordering in and watching crime action series
"You remembered?" "Of course I did, I love you"
Trying to do pilates together only to fail miserably
Writing a love letter only to throw it away but they find it
S2 Yandere scenarios!:
"I just got some very wise advice from a wise woman..." U can ask more abt this btw and I'll explain a bit more what I mean with this
"Gosh, you smell so good when we cuddle like this"
"Do you think I enjoy punishing you?! I don't!"
"Tell me how much you love me"
"I'm jealous of the way you are happy with them but not me"
"This world is a ugly place, you're too beautiful for it"
"I know I'm sick in the head, but you'll be my cure"
"I love it when we're so close together like this"
"Of course I'm jealous! You're mine, not theirs!"
"Dont you get it? I would die for you if you asked me to"
"Your skin is so soft"
"I just love the last souvenir of your eye so much that I'd like the other one please"
"I could kill you if I wanted to"
"I live for you, you're like my oxygen"
"If you run, I'll break your legs"
જ⁀➴ ♡ Matchups
I actually do match ups which isn't really known cuz it's in my rules and dni lol but I do make matchups in case anyone wants one<3 this was added on 20:37 on 4th of February which is a bit later than this was posted
For a match up I need as much information as possible it's also allowed in a platonic form
If there's a preferred age range and gender
Hobbies
Likes
Dislikes
Special interests
And more would be needed (^-^)
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belle--ofthebrawl · 2 days ago
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Femslash February Day 3! Mountain wingmanning at a lesbian bar (his greenhouse) (Sfw!)
Ok look, I don't know how many consecutive days of writing and posting I have in me. But I'm going to try my hardest to get so much Femslash out this month. I'm not following any set prompt or challenge list. Just my heart. And my pu-
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"I need help." Mist says. 
Mountain sets down his carefully trimmed bonsai and looks at her over the rim of his glasses. She's fresh from the lake, with clothes sopping wet from being tugged on right away. Her fingers twist around a tarnished old pendant (skull, eyes set with emeralds). And, most intriguingly, the barest hint of a blush on the apples of her cheeks.
(And slung over her shoulders what is quite possibly the largest pike he's ever seen in an impressive display of prowess but that is neither here nor there. She's not asking for help with the fish.)
"I understand." Mountain replies, having seen that same look on Aether after he met Dew. 
"There was an Air sunning herself on the dock," Mist says. "I've seen her around but I don't know her name."
“What did she look like?” He asks patiently. Cirrus had a fondness for hellebore and datura, but she was usually practicing keyboard with Zephyr this time of day. He glances at a pot of white lilies and nods to himself, even before Mist tells him.
“Big.” Mist says. “Big body, big poofy hair, big sunglasses. I think I splashed her when I jumped out of the water.”
It's the most flustered he’s ever seen her, the way she paces back and forth, trailing her hand in a tub of water lilies.
"I had the fish. In my mouth. When I jumped up on the dock. And I scared her. And I didn't apologize cause my mouth was full of fish. I just walked away and acted like nothing was out of the ordinary."
“Joe cool.” He says suavely and earns a flat glare. He meets it with his own carefully blank face until Mist rolls her eyes and flicks water at him.
“I know her.” He says as an olive branch. “Cumulus. She'll be a backing vocalist and keyboardist on our next tour. Real sweet.”
“Is she the type to be bothered by how I acted?” Is Mist’s next question and Mountain thinks about it. Plenty of ghouls became “domesticated” once they were up top, vastly preferring the convenience of Abbey kitchens and a set menu to a more traditionalist approach like Mist enjoys taking.  From what he's seen, Cumulus had adored the luxuries of the Topside like bubble baths and ice cream. But she still politely asked to have raw meat whenever she ate in the cafeteria. She enjoyed organs and eyeballs, cutting daintily into her meal and chewing methodically before swallowing.
He spares a glance at the pike. It's a decent size, almost as tall as Mist’s scant five feet and from the looks of it, hadn't gone down without a fight. It might be good sliced into fillets with lemon pepper and celery salt. He doesn't think Cumulus has tried raw fish yet.
“You’ll be fine.” He says. “So. Let’s start with the focus of the bouquet.”
“Don’t you start with that flower language.” Mist warns him. “I think it’s ridiculous. I just want something pretty for her to look at without any second meanings for her to guess. I don’t like codes.”
“Alright.” Mountain says, humoring her. “So, lets just start with flowers that remind you of her. Take a look at what calls you.”
Mist beelines for the lilies and Mountain smiles to himself. Mist isn't the type to be sentimental and he hardly expects her to verbalize her thought process. It would be more practical than poetic anyway because that's just how she was. He just guesses and watches and waits while she goes from flower to flower, brow furrowed in thought. 
“I like these.” She says about a pot of bullthistle he’s been nurturing from seed. It's on it's second year and growing tall, fine shoots that promise to bear nasty, thorny leaves. He's got an idea about how the species might be used to strengthen the borders of the abbey but he's worried about how fast it spreads. So it sits, with its purple crowns atop tiny thorny heads. 
“Thank you.” Mountain says. “For the bouquet or just to admire?”
“Just to admire.” Mist admits. Shifting her weight to still keep ahold of the pike, she thrusts her bouquet before him for inspection. Dominated by the lilies, she's added sprigs of lavender and fat peonies. Ferns have been tucked here and there to break up the flowers and Mountain gives her a silent thumbs up. There's no doubt Cumulus will love it.
"Thank you." Mist says gratefully. “I…I really appreciate it, Mountain.”
“Go get’em tiger.” He says as she nods to herself and heads out to find her girl, toting a gorgeous bouquet and her freshly slaughtered kill.
And no sooner do her footsteps fade when Mountain picks up another pair heading to the back of the greenhouse.
"I'm sorry." He says to the bonsai. "We're just doomed to always have interruptions in our alone time, it would seem."
The bonsai forgives him. It was a patient tree. It could wait a little longer.
"Mountain?" Comes Cumulus' frantic voice. "Mountain, you have to help me."
She bursts into the greenhouse, a gorgeous mess of floppy curls and chiffon as she presses her hands to her rosy cheeks. Her sunglasses are askew, her hat is about to fall off and he's never seen her so far from neatly put-together in her entire time with them.
"There was a water Ghoulette." She begins softly. "Caught the biggest fish I've ever seen. So stoic! Such a huntress!  Mountain, I think I'm in love."
"I understand." He says soothingly. "Why don't you take a look at those water lilies while I grab some thistle? Wouldn't want you hurting your hands."
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sleepanonymous · 2 days ago
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I just want to put in my two cents on the whole band identity thing since stuff is going around atm: As far as I am aware, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, Vessel and the rest of the band have never explicitly stated that the masks are supposed to hide their identities for safety purposes.
Vessel said in that Metal Hammer interview that music is pushed based on who or who isn’t in a band, and that their identities are unimportant. To me, this says that their masks are a form of commentary against the popularity contest/politics within the modern music industry.
Not doxxing/harassing/doing other harmful behaviors to the band members should be the bare minimum and common sense, but of course, people have shown us and the band otherwise and I understand that has made some within the fandom become even more protective/vigilant with information related to the identities in the band.
That being said, I personally don’t see any issue with knowing who they are if you want to know and it shouldn’t be looked down on within the fandom. I think there can be a respectful divide between those who know and those who don’t want to. I found out by accident, but knowing what I know has given me a much deeper appreciation for Sleep Token in all of its iterations in a way I don’t think I would have gotten to otherwise.
I think some fans feel as though they’re betraying the band by knowing their identities and I disagree with that level of stigma. I can’t imagine any of the guys being offended about their fans looking into past projects/bands they’ve been involved in, and having huge support from all of us if one or more members decided to do a solo feature for another band would be incredible!
In my opinion, I think we need to reframe how their identities are handled within the fandom at large: they’re not in witness protection, they just prefer for their audience to put the majority of their focus on the music instead of the people playing it. It’s obvious that Vessel takes great pride in his craft and, based on the MH interview, it seems like his main goal here is to have his music speak for itself instead of becoming another soulless corporate shill. Just something for all of us to consider and I’d love to know your thoughts as well.
Worship.
So sorry it took a few days to respond to this ask. I wanna be a little less subjective to give you a platform, Anon, but you are correct in the fact that Vessel and the band never said their anonymity was explicitly for safety (although there’s a valid argument that that is a given assumption, as you also stated).
If needed for context, the quote from the Amped Up Kerrang Article (idk if you meant this article, Anon, or if Ves said something in one of the Metal Hammer ones and I forgot; lmk in another ask or dm and i’ll add to this post):
“Art has become entangled with identity,” Him says of the band’s anonymity. “The aim is to provide something people can engage with without being obstructed by the identity of its creator. The true identities behind Sleep Token are irrelevant. Our identity is represented through the art and music itself.”
I do believe their anonymity is both a device for creating more powerful music as well as a clever way to market the band. Humans are naturally curious and we are drawn to mysteries. Its interesting to see how it has morphed into this beast of those who know and those who do not (and those who do know, pretend they do not, and then ostracize those who do know while also creeping in online spaces they should definitely not know about if not knowing identities mattered that much to them). The band’s anonymity has created a fanbase full of toxic interactions that I’m certain they never intended to cause.
I don’t fault any fan for their views, or if they choose to seek out identities or not. I only have a problem with it when views are forced onto others maliciously.
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inheartofwinter · 19 hours ago
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Drarry fic rec: RON-DRACO FRIENDSHIP
I found this list in my phone recently and honestly couldn't understand why I hadn't posted it yet, so here it is. The criteria for this list is Ron-Draco friendship isn't based on Draco and Harry's relationship. Whether Harry and Draco are on good terms or not, Ron and Draco are still friends.
I love Ron-Draco friendship in Drarry fics a lot. If you also have the same preference, I hope you would enjoy this list.
- Can't Spell Enemy Without Friend (T; 945) by @xx-thedarklord-xx
“Piss off,” Ron said, rolling his eyes. “I’m just saying, what if we are making this bigger than it needs to be? They might not even react.”
“After all the valid shit I’ve said about you over the years?” Draco scoffed. “No one is going to believe that we’re friends.”
Or...
The one where Draco and Ron became friends but refuse to admit it because they don't want to see Harry's smug face
- You've got the antidote for me (M; 20,7k) by Kandakicksass
When Harry Potter unintentionally severs their soulbond before it can fully form, Draco Malfoy resigns himself to a slow death and decides not to burden Harry with a soulmate he's made it very clear he doesn't want.
He's never been selfless before, but for Harry, he can try.
- Peeking behind the Curtain (M; 23,5k) by calrissian18
Draco sees things he really, really wishes he didn't. If only to get out of all the homework that comes with it.
- Give Me A Quiet Mind (T; 16,3k) by calrissian18
Draco is Weasley’s assistant. Except for the week he’s not. Whose brilliant idea was that again? Featuring offices in Edinburgh, an epic Measley Bromance (that no one will admit exists), several unrequited crushes, fantastical revenge scenarios, coffee snobbery, the dreaded – yet adorable – toddler terror, promises of organ swapping, a play about Scottish history (no one cares), sequins, and the League of Snarky Secretaries!
- Blow by Blow (T; 7,3k) by calrissian18
Draco is tired of fighting. He’s still not sure he knows how to stop
- Used to be a Hot Boy (Now I'm Stunnin') (M; 6,8k) by TawnyOwl
“Why the hell would you get a fucking paw print tatted on your shoulder?” He prods, laughing at the ridiculousness of it, performing his usual detection spells on Draco’s wand.
“I didn’t. It’s my fucking soulmate being a fucking dick.”
Ron pauses. He stares. Draco stares back, brow raised in a challenge.
“You’re kidding.”
“You tell me, pureblood. Am I?”
- A Slytherin in Gryffindor Clothing (R; 38k) by mahaliem
Draco hits his head and wakes up in a world where he's a Gryffindor and Harry is a Slytherin
- tinder, flicker, flash (M; 80,3k) by @americanmoths
Molly Weasley takes Draco in after Narcissa, wanted for many murders and schemes, abandons him in the forbidden forest. This is a Drarry story, so obvs your fav schoolyard enemies fall in love, but first Draco has to learn to love his adopted family.
ft. magical Zoom calls, gay solidarity, a prank war, a real war and George Weasley’s unsubstantiated belief in his own psychic abilities.
a story where nobody makes any good decisions, yet everything turns out ok.
(Ron and Draco are more like brothers than friends in this fic.)
Hope you would like these fics!
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savi-our · 2 days ago
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💯🔥👀 for the Fellswap brothers? Not sure if we’re allowed to send multiple emojis at once but I’m going for it
Also I live for your mutt hc om NYOM NYOM NYOM-
💯 What is my muse’s ideal date? 🔥 Would my muse ever be up for a threesome? 👀 Is my muse the type to sleep around?
In reference to THIS post
☕ Ahhh! So sorry for taking a while on this ask, I've been catching up on so many things 😭😭😭 Thank you so much for sending in an ask though! I do hope you enjoy!!! ☕ 🔞WARNING: Post includes NSFW themes!!!🔞 Fellswap Sans - Black
💯 What is my muse’s ideal date?
Honestly Its hard to say, mainly due to the fact that Black makes every date custom fit towards his partner. Whether you prefer the more romantic setting of a luxurious restaurant, or the more casual setting of a picnic at the park, he wont turn his nose up at any of them - quite the opposite in fact. He'll go out of his way to plan the best, most elevated version of the date of your choice. Whether its reserving the whole restaurant out for only the two of you, or dressing up every individual tree in the park with rows and rows of fairy lights - he wont cut any corners. His own preference is... actually pretty simple, for him anyway... He loves gifts that come from the heart, so a simple home cooked meal that you took time to prepare, a bouquet of flowers picked out with their own meanings in flower language and a candle lit atmosphere, dozens of candles littering every surface and encasing you both in a golden glow would certainly do it. He loves to be seduced and made to swoon, so honestly just going all out on the romantic gestures would probably work best.
🔥 Would my muse ever be up for a threesome?
Yes and no, he would be comfortable sharing his partner with someone he trusts, but those people are far and few in-between. He's generally not the sharing type and has a pretty severe jealousy issue so the only way I genuinely see him have no issue with it is if you were in a polyamorous relationship.
👀 Is my muse the type to sleep around?
No, not really. Black hasn't had much luck in the romance department and he isn't the type of monster to just seek sexual pleasure for the fun of it. He's the type who wants to be in a relationship before getting into any sort of physical intimacy, and of course he would never cheat on any of his partners - he would break it off first before pursuing someone else - every time.
Fellswap Papyrus - Mutt
💯 What is my muse’s ideal date?
Oof, now hear me out - Mutt is an emotional virgin, and by that I mean he's never been or wanted a relationship before. Anything remotely romantic or lovey-dovey will be a first for him and ultimately put him well out of his depth. Dot get me wrong, he'd charm the pants off of a celibate priest if it was all fun and sexual pleasure only but love??? Romance??? Yeah, its not his strong suit. Any type of romantic date will make him sweat, and he wont know how to act or where to put his hands so easing him into it would be the move there, something simple like a cuddling session over at your place or a hangout at the bar would do. But... if you want the rare chance of actually flustering Mutt for once? Pull out all the stops and watch him sweat, its only fair you get some payback for all of those bite marks he keeps leaving on you ;p
🔥 Would my muse ever be up for a threesome?
Mutts affection comes in phases so it honestly depends on which one you're in - here's what I mean by that. Phase one would be if you're in a friends with benefits sort of situation, he'd be more than happy to enjoy a threesome or a foursome or a whateversome with you, its all about what you're into so he doesn't really care about sharing. Phase two happens when he actually catches feelings and first gets into a relationship - during this time sharing is completely off the table. Mutt gets very possessive of his partner or partners in case of a poly relationship and he will not be okay with anyone joining in on the fun during this time. Phase three is when he lays off a bit, it'd be a couple of years into a relationship when he's gotten used to you and gotten used to being in love in general so some of his more possessive qualities will fall off. Sharing would be back on the table then but only with individuals he trusts, or close friends.
👀 Is my muse the type to sleep around?
When he's single? He might as well be the whore of Babylon. Sex is easy to him and he seeks it out often. He's a massive flirt and wont refuse a fling even if he doesn't particularly like someone's personality - as long as he deems them attractive. Things change if he's in a relationship - he goes off his partners wishes. If they're monogamous all of his sleeping around will end then and there - he wont risk shattering his partners trust in him for some casual fun. If they're open then he might find a fling or two but only after discussing it with his partner, his libido can be pretty hard to deal with sometimes so its honestly more to help his partner get some rest rather than anything else.
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You're a Coward Steve Harrington
Pairing: Steve Harrington x fem!reader 
Category: Angst to fluff
Summary: Steve has been avoiding y/n for the last month. It’s not until you’re shit faced at a party for him to confess what’s really going on.
Warnings: Alcohol consumption, taking shots, smoking, smoking weed while driving (I do not condone this behavior this is just here for the sake of the story and vibes LOL), throwing up, fighting, kissing
WC: 2.5
A/n: Second “fanfic” “imagine” esc post!! I really hope you like it. This was fun to write and please don’t judge my shitty writing lollll I’m still working on it and lots of room for improvement (: 
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“I still think he’s into you” Nancy laughed at y/n as she told Nancy the infamous story of how one day her and Steve were the bestest of friends, inseparable really. How they did everything together- movie nights, parties, dinners, even sleepovers. Steve and y/n became close very quickly ever since y/n moved to Hawkin’s about a year ago. But one day later everything had seemed to banish out of nowhere. 
It crept up slowly, and though y/n was trying not to read too much into it at first, she soon realized she should’ve because when she finally came to terms with what Steve was doing it was too late, and he was gone- Not literally gone as in disappeared but, gone from her life. 
It first started with Steve not returning your calls right away, letting them go unanswered for hours, until those hours turned to days. He stopped walking you to class and meeting up before and after school. He avoided you at lunch, and started making excuses to get out of hanging out. All which ultimately led to him completely dodging your presence.
Finally when it became too much for y/n she pressed him in the hallway, on the verge of breaking down, demanding to know what she did that made Steve want nothing to do with her anymore. Steve’s heart was shattered at the thought that he let y/n think that this was her fault. But overall, he thought losing her like this was a better alternative than getting rejected and ruining the friendship that way. So when she pressed him that day in the school hallway, it took everything in him to say nothing and just walk away.  
Over the course of that month Robin countlessly called Steve an idiot, she suspected the feelings he had for y/n but nothing was confirmed. Steve was too stubborn to admit to anything. And Robin too- like Nancy, tried telling y/n
‘I think he’s just an idiot who’s into you.’ But without confirmation, y/n just accepted that Steve had a newfound hatred for her and the only thing could do was bury her feelings for him and forget it. 
As for y/n, she spent a lot of her free time with Robin when she wasn’t with or working with Steve, and Eddie too- they were just friends of course but they did get significantly closer ever since Steve walked out of y/n’s life. 
10pm hit as Nancy, Jonathan, and y/n stood outside the Wheeler’s house waiting for Eddie to pick them up for a party. You weren’t really sure whose party it was, but Eddie knew the guy which automatically meant you and your friends were invited. 
You were excited, and felt like this would be a good opportunity to finally let loose and have fun after how stressful this month has been for you. You wore a tight black mini skirt, a baby tee that rose just above your belly button, and knee high boots. You wanted to feel good about yourself tonight, forget about Steve and everything he put you through. You were never much of a partier and you definitely preferred smoking and relaxing than drinking and partying, but you knew a switch up would be good for you.
When Eddie finally pulled up you hopped in the passenger seat, as Johnathan and Nancy sat in the back.
“Hey- you clean up nice” Eddie laughed at y/n while passing her the joint he just lit. Y/n accepted the joint gracefully and took a hit of it, before Eddie started driving off to the party,
“Not so bad yourself Munson,” She coughed out before taking another hit, 
“Woah, woah, woah,” Eddie stammered, “One, save some for me-” He took the joint back smoking it, “Two, slow your roll and wait till we step foot in the party before you completely lose yourself.” 
The drive over to the party was no more than 20 minutes. On arrival, Jonathan and Nancy went their separate ways as they are more of the inverted partier type. As for you and Eddie, he took you straight to the kitchen to get started on drinks, 
“Okay doll, what’re you drinking tonight?” 
“Tequila,” You answered without hesitation, Eddie was taken off guard by my answer. He knew that wasn't my typical drink of choice. His eyes widened and eyebrows raised,
“Well shit y/l/n, why do I have a feeling I’m gonna be carrying you out of this place tonight,” He laughed pouring your guys’ first shot of the night. 
You cheered your shot before taking it with ease, then taking a hit of a joint you just lit. Eddie’s eyes looked at you in disbelief as you held the joint in your mouth inhaling while pouring another shot before- he chimed in,
“I don’t know if I should be proud or concerned for you,” 
You shook your head laughing, "I just need to say fuck it and let loose Eddie, I’ve been needing this for a while, okay."
Eddie is aware of the situation that went down with Steve, he’s the one who has been at your side and at your every call, always there to comfort you. He knew how much Steve meant to you, though he never understood why you liked him so much, but you just claimed he never got to know Steve like you did.
“Doll, I know you need this, just be careful please I can’t babysit all night-” Eddie got cut off by his friends welcoming him and dragging him out to the back patio.
All honesty you were fine being left alone, tequila made you wanna dance and that’s exactly what you went to do.. After you took another shot of course. 
You slammed your shot glass on the counter after taking it, then filling up your red solo cup with a mixed drink and hit the dance floor. 
You were doing exactly what you had planned on doing, letting loose and having fun. A benefit to going to a party where you don’t even know who’s hosting it is you don't know a lot of the people here- making dancing with random guys a lot easier.
Whilst in the middle of quite literally throwing it back on some guy whose name you didn't even know, your body suddenly froze up, you felt as if your lungs had started constricting, and anger rose inside of you noticed Steve fucking Harrington walking in the door with Robin- 
‘I should’ve known, a friend of Eddie’s is more than likely a friend of Robin’s of course they’re fucking here.’
You sighed, taking a deep breath in, 
‘Tonight is my night of fun and letting lose, fuck Steve Harrington,’ 
You took another swig of your drink before continuing dancing, you were definitely feeling the alcohol hitting you now. 
Steve spotted you the moment he walked into the house. Jealously rose inside of him as he saw you dancing with some guy. But he still couldn't help but miss you and his heart felt like it was aching. That feeling followed up with the thought of rejection, and he couldn’t help but replay the moment in the hallway you two had shared when you were pressing him, he had never seen you so angry.
He quickly snapped back to reality, he could automatically tell you were drunk, he smiled to himself admiring how confident you looked dancing, drink in your hand, you looked as if you didn’t have a care in the world. He missed your presence. 
A few minutes later Steve found himself in the kitchen grabbing a beer. After taking a prolong drink he heard someone stumbling into the wall over towards the bathroom. 
With curiosity getting the best of him he peered around the corner, and there you were. Drunkenly stumbling, joint in your mouth, your hand pasted to the wall using it to guide you to the bathroom door.
When you reached the bathroom you had slammed the door behind you before placing your joint on the sink carefully, then falling to your knees in front of the toilet waiting for the contents in your stomach to rise up. 
Steve slowly approached the door listening to what you could be doing, he more just wanted to know that you were okay in there. The second he heard you start to vomit, worry washed over him. He lost control over himself and didn’t think twice before he opened the bathroom door. His eyebrows pinched together, sympathy in his eyes at the look of you hanging over the toilet sick. 
Your head had snapped over to the door upon it opening, your face had a look of anger then quickly dropping as you made eye contact realizing it was Steve, 
“What the fuck are you doing here,” Your words slurred,
“I know- I know you hate me,” Steve calmly said while closing the door behind him then kneeling down next to you pulling your hair out of you face and holding it back, “Just- just let me help you please,” 
Before you could respond you resumed throwing up and coughing in the toilet violently. Steve continued to hold your hair back while with the other hand he was rubbing small circles in your back calmly saying, “It’s okay, you’re okay- just breath,” 
Truth to be told, his presence felt very comforting, and as much as you wanted to kick him out of the bathroom, scream at him, and analyze this odd situation- You were far too crossed from the weed and alcohol to even think.  
“Why- are you- here Harrington,” You began choking on your words before tears started to form in your eyes, “You avoid me- for- a whole fucking- month, you’re just gone- and now you want to just show up again,” 
“I know- I know, I-”
Before Steve could finish his sentence you started vomiting again cutting off his sentence, his heart ached seeing you like this,
“Hey hun,” His tone gentle, “Can I please take you home, you can’t stay here like this,” 
As much as you hate to give in so easily you knew you were only gonna feel worse. Plus you had a feeling Eddie left the party already with a girl that was hitting on him on the back patio so this may be the best option for you,
“Okay,” You croaked out grabbing Steve’s shoulder to boost you up. Steve stood up with you wrapping his arm around you to help keep your balance,
“Okay- let’s go” 
He guided you outside the house, walking you to his car. He opened the passenger door for you, helping you inside. The world was spinning, your mind was racing yet it was also blank, you rested your head on the window feeling drowsy,
“Your house or mine hun,” 
“Steve-” you slurred, “I can’t go home like this,” 
"Okay," Steve nodded, driving off to his house. 
You blacked out during the car ride, you felt as if you were jumping in and out of reality, nothing felt real. One moment you were sitting in the passenger seat of Steve Harrington’s car, the next minute you were laying on his couch with a slightly better grasp of reality.
You slowly sat up rubbing your eyes not caring if you smeared your mascara. You noticed Steve in the kitchen holding a cup of water as he started walking towards you, 
“Here,” He said quietly, “Uh- We just got here- like 10 minutes ago- here drink this,” He hands you the cup and you drink the water reluctantly glaring at him, 
“How can you just act like nothing happened Steve? You were my best friend one day, and a shitty- selfish person the next.”
Steve sighs, embarrassed, and unable to look you in the eyes. He knows you’re right, he can’t just have you stay the night without explaining why he did what he did. He knew he had to tell you the truth, and he had to tell you tonight. 
“Do you remember the time- uh- we stayed up all night just talking in my car,” Steve’s demeanor was soft, he was staring at the ground breathing slowly,
“Yeah,” 
“I think about that night almost everyday you know,” He pauses taking another deep breath, “We talked all night- about everything- and you feel asleep on my shoulder at sunrise-” 
You scoffed, rolling your eyes at Steve, “Yes Steve I get it. I was stupid enough to open up to you, about everything, my whole life. What? Just for you to ditch me months later and forget about everything?” Tears started forming in your eyes, you started to fill of rage,
“No, no- Just- please let me finish,” I stayed silent, 
“Y/n I love you-” 
“You’re a coward Steve Harrington,” You shouted at him, “You don’t abandon someone you love,” 
Steve’s head snapped up at you making eye contact, you could tell something changed in him, 
“Dammit y/n I fell in love with you!” He shouted. He maintained eye contact, your eyes widened, eyebrows raised, your breathing fasten, yet you remained silent,
“I’m sorry I abandoned our friendship y/n- I’m sorry I left you hanging. I was scared of your rejection, I didn’t wanna lose our friendship that way y/n. I know it doesn’t make sense, but at the time- you know- it did. I know I’m a coward from running away from those feelings, but I just knew you could never feel the same,” Steve stopped talking and started catching his breath,
“Steve, you're an idiot,” You gave him a saddened pitiful smile, “How could I not like you back? Of course I had feelings for you,” Steve’s expression softened as those words left your mouth,
“Really?” In the moment nothing but guilt washed over Steve, he was happy too- But more so he felt guilty, like a real jerk for wasting all that time away from you. But ultimately, all the worry he had of getting rejected from you had vanished. 
Steve inched closer to you, closing the gap that laid between you guys. He held eye contact with you momentarily, breaking it to stare at your lips. His hand cupped your cheek as he closed his eyes slowly pulling you into him. You leaned into his kiss, your hands hanging around his neck. 
You couldn’t believe this was finally happening, Steve felt like he was dreaming.
When your lips collided it felt as if the whole world around you disappeared. Your lips fit perfectly together moving in sync, his lips were soft and gentle with yours. Everything felt perfect. 
Steve paused pulling back, you were both smiling like idiots at each other catching your breath before Steve spoke up,
“I missed you so much- I’ve been wanting to do that for so long you have no idea,”
“No, you have no idea Harrington,” You laughed, “Don’t ever do any of that dumb shit again,”
Steve laughed shaking his head before pressing his forehead against yours, 
“Trust me, I’m never letting you go again honey.” 
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wandixx · 8 hours ago
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Hi! This is the first time I'm sending an art prompt...
I was thinking maybe both Danny and M'gann are floating (preferably in space but anywhere would do) and M'gann is yapping about something (maybe a recipe she's trying to learn?) and Danny is just smiling and listening to her.
idk. I kinda just want a fluff piece.
Please and thank you 😊
Anon, anon I cannot begin to tell you how much I loved drawing for this prompt. It has everything I love doing tbh. Floaty/flying stuff? Check. My fav ship being cute? Check. Space/stars as background?Check.
Ibis paint loved it a bit less, but I didn't let it stop me (I hope that Tumblr or the way I got it on my laptop to post didn't mess up quality)
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She got cool recipe down without turning on fire alarm or any accidents and she had to share hah
Here is without the speech bubbles and face close ups:
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I'm super happy about how this turned out :D
And also, little thing I made along the way because I got inspired when I turned off sketch layer and saw lineart alone on the background. Anyway, them the constelation
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I hope you like it anon, I certainly loved making it.
Also, here is reference for background because I love this photo and need to spread it far and wide
An aurora intersects Earth's airglow beneath a starry sky
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Destiny Eris & Drifter Lore Catchup - Primary Sources - Video Only
My friend was looking for a video to summarise the story between Eris Morn and the Drifter in preparation for Heresy tomorrow and I begged her to just read the lore and not go off of someone else's skewed perspective because the actual writing in-game is so beautiful and it feels like chewing tinfoil when I see people going "Oh I'll just watch so-and-so's video."
But my friend is at work overnight tonight and cannot read while she works. She can, however, listen to things, and Heresy is tomorrow so I don't have time to just record myself reading the lore (totally would do this if it meant getting another person into my hyperfixation).
So to provide something at least somewhat helpful I've made a list of all the Eris & Drifter in-game footage videos I can come up with off the top of my head and with quick searches.
This is not to replace the fantastic list of Eris & Drifter lore already made by Robyn here: https://www.tumblr.com/dredgensimp/756035408544120832/so-i-was-combing-through-l-o-r-e-on-ishtar?source=share
Which is WAY BETTER because it contains the written elements that are so important.
So much of their relationship is missing from in-game video/audio and you can only find it written down in descriptions of a sparrow or a gun or in lore tabs. Please believe me there is so much more and Robyn's list is a far better reference than this set of videos I'm providing.
But, for people who, for whatever reason, aren't able to (or interested in) reading the lore (although really, you really should - the writing is so fucking good) at least you can listen to the actual audio and video Drifteris from the game and not someone's condensed version of it designed for clickbait and ad revenue from selling hair product and meal kits instead of what it should be doing: showing off how glorious the writing in this game actually is.
Arrivals - Contact Public Event Dialogue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZINq_mu1Ys
Prophesy Dungeon - Voice lines and cut scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZr6Q7dtcFA&list=PLS2hBTtCDufSJZnB65N-Mz0IhJeFzjRpS
Beyond Light - Fight scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAD6E_vESJY
Beyond Light - Fireside Eris & Drifter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8mW-zC03aU
Haunted - Radio message from Eris to Drifter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAWFdsVwKak
Plunder - Ketchcrash Eris & Drifter dialogue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qVZj0WtAt4
Plunder - Ketchcrash Eris & Eido: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1z2_0b2atQ
Plunder - Eris declines "gift": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuPqQPPJRoY
Deep - Beam of Moonlight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta2DKchL2uY
Witch - There on the other side: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoHm_OWy_pQ
I'm sure I've missed some. If you know of any, please let me know and I will update the list.
Bonus points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfWpoQfVJh0
Also, if anyone knows of anywhere where someone is just straight up reading the lore tabs, no "interpretation" no "summary" - just individual videos containing nothing but someone reading a lore tab, for people who prefer to hear rather than read, please let me know so I can gather a list based upon Robyn's reference and give it to my friend (and I'll post it here so anyone who wants it can refer to it in future).
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grogusmum-writes · 3 days ago
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🚧UNDER CONSTRUCTION🚧
Hi ho, Hazel here!! 💚
After some consideration, I've decided to stop keeping a taglist and go with a fic side blog.
The decision was a long time coming, but it doesn't make sense to spend time making taglists with so little response, and I dont want to bother people who don't want to be bothered. I will continue to tag @pedrostories and other library/archive blogs or those that run them such @littlemisspascal. If you run one and would like to be tagged, just let me know. Y'all are doing the lord's work, and I don't want to make it harder for you.
So, in a nutshell, I will be postin fic updates and new fic on my main blog, and cross posting it here, where you can find it without having to dig through all my other silliness. If you want to follow and set this blog for notifications, you will get a heads up whenever I post anything new.
(I am still working on getting them posted on my ao3 done, too. If you prefer to read there, you can find me under the same - grogusmum.)
Thanks to everyone who has supported and cheered on my writing. 💚💚💚
Before retiring my taglist, I will be using it to make sure past readers know about the change
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katerinaaqu · 3 days ago
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You mentioned this in a post reply that made me remember I meant to ask (as always, just point me if you have already spoken about this): opinion on Agamemnon and Clytemnestra's daughtes?
In the Iliad I seem to remember three daughters are mentioned, Iphianassa, Laodice and Chrysothemis, while in the plays they are usually Iphigenia, Electra and Chrysothemis (bless her unchanging name).
Do you identify Iphianassa as Iphigenia and Laodice as Electra? Or do you prefer them being all different people?
So often female names (not only here) are conflated, recording people probably didn't care enough about them to be precise about it :(
I think mentioning Iphianassa in the Iliad (in the context of being offered in marriage to Achilles) suggests that in that early tradition the sacrifice of one of Agamemnon's daughter had not been added to the canon, both because Iphianassa could be the same of Iphigenia and thus still alive and because offering a daughter in marriage to Achilles after the last time he was 'bethroted' to one ended up being a sham would be tactless to say the least (and Achilles is just so sensitive about honor and pride).
Plus there is that Iliad line listing the throne passing from Atreus to Thyestes to Aga without mentioning the horrors™️, which with Iphianassa being alive could mean at that point of the traditions Agamemnon was just a commander and not the last scion of an extremely cursed royal line.
...unless Homer is alluding stuff that the audience is already supposed to know and offering another daughter to Achilles was meant to make up for that whole fiasco (unmentioned in the Iliad)?
The notes on my Iliad say that the 'embassy to Achilles' chapter may even be a slightly later addition (like possibly the night raid chapter) since later part of the story proceeds like it didn't happen, so this all is speculative squared ahah
Yes I have had a talk with @emmikay in fact on one of my posts about contradicting sources and you can see my reply here:
But the subject is always fascinating!!!!
As I mention to that reply of mine, it is hard to tell whether we speak for example on Iphianassa as the same person as Iphigenia or if it is a different daughter that kinda got lost as a version in the centuries and eventually the two names were used interchangeably for the same person. It is also possible, as I mentioned to that reply of mine, that Agamemnon is insinuating the substitution of his daughter with a fawn as a homeric tradition thus if "Iphianassa" and "Iphigenia" are one and the same person then Agamemnon insinuates a "happy ending" to the tragedy of Iphigenia and her sacrifice (as I mentioned to my reply and that Agamemnon Analysis, the essence of Agamemnon lashing out to Calchas seems to be indicating that Aulis incident is a homeric tradition given how Agamemnon doesn't fully elaborate as to why Calchas "never had a good prediction for him" as opposed to the idea of later on suggesting the marriage of Achilles to "Iphianassa"
Iphianassa seems to be simply an old variation of the name "Iphigenia" given how similar the names are (as opposed to "Laodice" for example) and both seem to be insinuating her noble birth as "Iphi" stands for "strong" (Another character in mythology that has it is for example Heracles's brother Iphicles) and "anassa" means "queen" while "genia" implies "bloodline" so she is named either "Strong Queen" or "Of strong Bloodline". Either way the names seem to be similar so it does seem at times that it is a variant of the same name, although the actual possibility of that being the name of another daughter of Agamemnon seems to be on the table I would lean more towards the first idea, that it is a variation or alternative (one can even blame the metric system in Homer that required the syllables of the name to fit his metric poem) given the lack of sources indicating otherwise.
Frazer for instance supports the idea that Homer didn't know the sacrifice tradition yet or doesn't quote it (explaining the existence of the betrothal with Iphianassa in the Iliad) or that the name Electra was unknown to him but I disagree with the first mainly because of the passage that as I said Agamemnon claims in distress that Calchas always has a bad prophecy for him. It is the second part that I am mostly intrigued by. As to whether Laodice and Electra are the same person or if they are two different traditions. Given how "Laodice" translates roughly as "people's judgement" seems pretty royal name to give. Whilst "Electra" simply means "Amber" or "Of amber color"
I am actually taking a leap here but I feel like Laodice was the name given to her at birth but "Electra" was a nickname given to her because of the color of her eyes or hair or both, pretty similar how Neoptolemus is nicknamed such ("new warrior" or "new conqueror") by Phoenix. In my brain it creates a fine parallel between Achilles and Agamemnon through their children, how their children have a different name by birth and got known later on by another. Of course I have no actual proof on this but it also seems to me like a parallel with Electra's tragedy as well given how Electra brings "justice" or "judgement" upon Clytemnestra later on.
Actually...no offense but I kinda am not fond of this interpretation dunno why, when we always say "they didn't care for female characters thus the names change" because honestly I think it is unfair. We have unchanging or relatively steady names of main female characters in mythology (Helen, Clytemnestra, Penelope, Chrysothemis etc) while others change depending on tradition, local names or history etc. With the same logic why aren't we promoting more that mythology "hates men" when out of the 108 suitors of Penelope only around 20 are named in the Odyssey and out of the 600 men of Odysseus only a handful are named or why aren't we speaking on "erasure of humanity" of characters that their name allegedly changed such as Lygiron being Achilles's original name or Alcides of Heracles etc. I understand of course where the idea and the interpretation comes from but honestly in a world of myths where women play a deuteragonistic role we often see names change indeed but so we do with men who are oftentimes not named at all when they play deuteragonistic role or their origins are misread or misinterpreted or confused or oftentimes is hard to tell who is who (Like Eurybates in Iliad and in Odyssey being unclear if he is the same person or different etc) Hehehe sorry parenthesis closed! back to the original point! -that is just me interpreting it by the way. It doesn't need to be more correct than the interpretation you give, it is just that it is my opinion in regards to the matter that we do not need to see "erasure of women" everywhere. Just that deuteragonists in a story often are indeed not steady or omitted unfortunately-
Anyways moving on; For the line of Atreus and Thyestes not implying the violence in the whole thing seems to me very similar to how the violence of the downfall of Tydeus is not touched in Homer. Tydeus's cannibalism which was the reson of his doom was never mentioned in Homer. If anything Tydeus is being praised throughout the poem and compared with his son. Similarly the way the line of succession between Agamemnon and Thyestes is not mentioned or touched upon can mean to me
It is not directly related to the story and potentially already known and spoken tradition that doesn't require much explaining
Creates character realism, given how the last thing Agamemnon or any of his peers would need would be to mention a story of betrayal and cannibalism before the army.
As you state later, Homer could easily be citing events that most of his readers and listeners already knew too well or were at least familiar with, so he didn't feel the need to elaborate further. The second is that it seems natural for the characters who aim for glory not to mention the least glorifying things of their past because the point would be for the heroes to be seen in battle as they are now and in one way the way that Iliad seems to be creating the pattern of "glorious men that try to reach and surpass the glory of their families" doesn't correspond with the monstrous details of their pasts. But also as I said their past or family lines are not directly linked to the story so they are not given much mention. For example the mention of the coup Hera made IS made mention in the Iliad because it was important for the pleading Thetis made to Zeus.
Of course the possibility any of these traditions not being part of Homeric story and lore or even not be invented till later on is always on the table but personally I like to think that a large number of these were rejected because the story didn't call for them and they had different focus.
Honestly if I had a dime every time we had a theory about this or that part of Homer being "later addition" or "being written by a different writer" came out I would be rich! Hahahaha jokes aside though even if it is valid critisism and a very valid point I kinda do not align with it. Maybe I am too biased with Homer or my own idea that Homer is one writer and that the poem seeming seamless to me but still I am not sure why would that prove the "later adition" thing. Many events in Homer do appear and then they are not mentioned again because they are not relevant to the next parts of the story. See for example the obvious strong bond created between Telemachus and Nestor's son Peisistratus which was mentioned thoroughly during the trip in Telemacheia and never was mentioned again Telemachus mentions his trip to Pylos but never mentions "I made a friend along the way" because it was not THAT strongly relevant to the story which was the purpose of Telemachus being on a cognitive trip to find information on his father. We also do not see much on Helen mentioning the horse ever again even if that seems to be critical to the story of Troy, it is not directly linked to the Odyssey or the messages it wanted to pass. The fight with Irus is not mentioned again in the Odyssey as if it never happened even if it was also another clear event that Odysseus proved his strength and was one of the first steps towards recognition with the suitors etc. The events that are directly mentioned on are usually the ones directly linked to the story (for example Polyphemus, Circe, Calypso etc or in Iliad the taking of Briseis, the wounding of certain heroes or the killing of others and the fear of the people related to them)
Certain events in the Iliad and the Odyssey are being mentioned before (see for example how Diomedes and Odysseus and Agamemnon are wounded in later rhapsodies after rhapsody 11 because their wounds are actually relevant to the story and the way it moves at that spot) as opposed to the one failed attempt to bring Achilles to battle at first. It doesn't seem to be offering any news to the story if Odysseus came out and said "here we are again to you Achilles" given how the reader and viewer already knows that we have an embassy or rather the attempt to give gifts to Achilles when Achilles lets go of his anger free of charge to Agamemnon.
But I agree it is all speculative given the lack of any other information apart from readings and speculations of other writers and scholiasts (ancient or contemporary) which is why the mystery behind the identity or lack of it of Homer is still on and open for discussion.
Hahahaha gosh this got massively long! Hahaha I am sorry! I would love to hear some of your thoughts onto mine! ^_^
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